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Just a quick update on what's going on with the detachment stuff since it's been a quiet period (not always a bad thing!). 1. We're actively designing merch for a racing shirt, patch, and coin themed for KOTOR 20th based on votes. These will come in the next few months. It is slow due to lack of artists available and, well, life. 2. We're working on 3 New to the Legion CRLs/costumes currently that we're hoping to be released before the end of the term in Feb after updates to the costumes are finished. 3. We were told by LMOs that we had to wait until the end of the season of Ahsoka before submitting requests for assignment of the costumes. But, after the short, "please don't spoil the episode for us" request time, we're submitting for Shin, Baylan, Morgan, Marrok, and all 3 Great Mothers to be assigned to TFE. 4. We're still looking for artists and a new Programs Officer if you're interested/able to assist the Detachment! If you have any other requests or ideas, please feel free to comment or message me!

It's finally here! Galactic Armory's V2 mask. Much more detailed and accurate than the old version. I figure I can fit red LEDs into the eye sockets to emulate the eyes.

Just as a head's up to anyone interested in doing this costume: It has been agreed that so long as the visible parts of this costume match the references available, I am good with allowing the missing parts to be supplemented from Eleena Daaru's references. With that, I look forward to seeing a high quality submission soon!

New guy here! I've been working on a spinning GI saber for a bit and it's starting to come along. I have a youtube channel documenting the build but I also wanted a build log for better documentation and thought 'what better place then with people who can give me some sound guidance.' So here I am! Looking forward to chatting with you grand folks. I'm pretty far along in the project, so I'll be updating this log until it catches up with progress.

Try everything on Boots & gloves are from Crowprops And now I'm searching for armors

Hi folks, I just wanted to share some of the pics I took during my shooting at the Georges Henri park in Brussels

Hello from Japan. I'm working on Darth Margas. Thank you for your opinion. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Korbanth has a Savage hilt for sale: https://korbanth.com/empty-double-sided-staff-the-oppressor

So close to being done. I need to redo the arm guards and chest armor and shorten the bottom corset pieces.

Hello everyone, I’m Daisy from the Dutch Garrison and together with Rikki I have been assigned as your LMO team for this term. About Me: My name is Daisy van Rijn, and this is my second term as a 501st Legion Membership Officer. I have eight approved 501st costumes, four in the Rebel Legion and I have a Seventh Sister costume that I'm hoping to finish this year. I have been sewing since I was 19 and love sharing that acquired knowledge with others. I'm excited to be able to assist you this year with the TFE Detachment as I have a large love for the Old Republic Era. What is an LMO? The Legion Membership Team is responsible for reviewing and processing applications for membership, and maintaining and updating member information in the Legion database. The Legion Membership Officers drives costume policies, including acceptable costume types for membership and setting standards for costume submissions, and are the final arbiter of member costume issues and approvals. The Legion Membership Officer supervises and advises Detachments, Garrison Membership Liaisons, and Garrison Web Liaisons on any questions or issues they may have with member’s costumes. Have a question about membership these are the folks to talk to! There are LMOs you can contact at any time at Legion Officers however Rikki and I are the ones who are assigned to the Imperial Gunnery Corps this term. Thinking of starting a NTTL (New to the Legion) Costume? Please message the Detachment and me here as well as send a link to your build thread. I love researching new costumes and helping. Worried a costume may or may not be eligible for the Legion approval? https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:CRLGuide See Character Approval and New to the Legion Costumes (NTTL) sections for details. For “New to the Legion” costumes please also have a look here: Costuming Standards Have a question? Do not hesitate to message me. Get your references together and sent to LMO (at) 501st (dot) com.

Today was play with makeup... I didn't get around to doing the back of the head tattoos. I do plan on making a stencil for that part. This took around 2 1/2hrs. Still learning the best way to work with the materials. I think I did a pretty good job.

I found this on StarWars.com if it helps.

Galactic Armory has updated and revised their Inquisitor mask, and I'm helping them attempt to model the hard parts on the belt. Thankfully the Inquisitor wears the typical jackboots, so that'll probably be the easiest part of the build.

Separate post: The mask from Galactic Armory arrived. It looks pretty spot on, we'll see how it holds up when the show comes out. As well, GA agreed to help me research the costume after the show airs and will help me develop any armor pieces or hard parts I may need.

So have been staring like a crazy person at the pictures I have again and think that the rubber at the center front of her costume and on the gauntlets is a rubber window seal. I'm buying a few typs of S and V shapes to do some experiments with that as well. All of my printing supplies have finally come in. I hadn't planned to do it all myself, but paying to have the screens made wasn't cheap and I screwed up the scale of one of the patterns, so I decided to just bite the bullet and buy what I need. I purchased blank screens with the proper thread count for dense prints and but 2 types of emulsion to try. Both are made for high density printing. I found a supplier online that prints the film negative of the pattern for pretty cheap ($10 for my small one and $25 for the larger plus shipping). They arrived in a few days. My next step is to make my first attempt at high density screen today. I'll take pictures and share links and things later. I'm going to start with the glove pattern first since it's small volume. I've also got the pattern for the bodysuit, so I will be adapting that for what I need so I can pattern out the parts for printing. Going to be a lot more activity over the next few months! A friend of mine that loves doing leather work is helping me iwth the armor and she has one of my boots to pattern out the new shaft. I did some initial tests for aging the boot vamp and those worked pretty well. When I get the leather parts back, I'll share images and how I did things for that too.

Big Update: My mask came in and it is gorgeous! I also have the armor finally smooth and ready to paint in a satin black. The soft parts are being worked on now, pleats for the sleeves were just finished recently and were a nightmare to do, the Kylo Ren costumers were right on how bad those were to sew lol.

So excited about this! Going to buy this gorgeous lightsaber from Shadowfoil props when they are ready for order.

I was so excited that I rushed to get all the changes made lol. Here is an updated photo.

Dropping these in here in case you haven’t seen them! Moses Ingram posted some BTS on her Instagram stories today including some shots that show how the costume layers. Hope they help!

All the armor is in the painting phase now and assembling the weapons now. No pictures I wish to share yet except maybe this:

Since I have been asked several times for different characters in GoH, both older and newly released, I'll make one post to hopefully help clear it up! 1. Yes, the current TFE Command and assigned LMOs for TFE support adding GoH versions of characters as eligible for TFE approval/new CRLs, SO LONG as there is a full 360 degrees of reference to show all the details. The view option in game makes that pretty much a non-issue, but we still need the highest resolution possible. 2. If the character in question already has an approved version in TFE, then a couple things can happen: a) If there are no differences between the approved version and the GoH version, then no new CRL is made and it is considered the same as the existing approval for said character. b) If there are differences between the approved version and the GoH version, then a new CRL can be made. In this case, it is considered a New to the Legion Work in Progress (NTTL WIP) and requires an entirely different approval process that includes the TFE Command Costume Staff and the TFE LMO directly. In this case (and any not already approved character, regardless of media source), it is recommended to contact the DL and LMOs directly so that the process can be set up and advisement can be given. In this case, you can contact the LMOs at LMO@501st.com and they will redirect to the proper folks, or email me directly at Nina501st@gmail.com and I can pull in our specific LMOs.

Please move this to the forum that you think is most appropriate if this is not the right one. What is an LMO? The Legion Membership Team are responsible for reviewing and processing applications for membership, and maintaining and updating member information in the Legion database. The Legion Membership Officer drives costume policies, including acceptable costume types for membership and setting standards for costume submissions, and are the final arbiter of member costume issues and approvals. The Legion Membership Officer supervises and advises Detachments, Garrison Membership Liaisons, and Garrison Web Liaisons on any questions or issues they may have with members costumes. Have a question about membership these are the folks to talk to! LMO@501st.com *Thinking of starting a NTTL (New to the Legion) Costume? Please make sure you keep in contact with the Detachment. *For “New to the Legion” costumes please have a look here: http://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:CRLGuide Here is a brief list of some of the improvements we have planned for this term: • Communication, Clarity and Consistency: Utilizing the legion forum to regularly engage the membership and command staff alike through open and transparent lines of communication. (Ongoing) • Increase engagement with Detachment Leaders: Regular group meetings and conference calls to work with each other as a team. (Q1) • Launching “CRL Development Guide”: (Q1) • Streamline and document the process of creating and changing CRLs: (Q1) • Update the LMO Survival Guide: This will help current and future LMO understand the role and it’s responsibilities. (Q1) • CRL attainability: Ensuring CRLs and costumes attainable for all people in all countries and walks of life. (Ongoing) * Finishing 75% of unfinished CRLs: Supporting the detachments to find models and writing text for CRLs that are not yet green. (Q3) • Add galleries to every CRL: Increasing the use of detailed reference imagery in CRLs (Q3) • Create CRL Development Forums: Utilizing the legion forums for open and transparent development of new the legion CRLs.. (Q3) • Encouraging GML Feedback: Engaging the GMLs to ensure they know the LMO team is here to support them. Make formal efforts to receive feedback from GMLs about CRLs and the approval process. (Ongoing) • Regular Membership Surveys: We want to know what the members want. We serve the membership. (Ongoing) About Me My name is Dawn Bright and I am the LMO for the 501st Legion, ALMO with the Rebel Legion, I have previously served as XO of the Flagship Eclipse (501st) and the Senatorial Detachment (RL), GML of Southern California Garrison and a Legion Costume Judge (LCJ) for the Rebel Legion. I love making costumes (with an emphasis on EU and new to the legion), I have almost 60 (RL/501) Legion approved costumes. In my normal day to day life I am an Administrator of a care home for developmentally delayed adults in independent and inclusive living situations in sunny Southern California. I work with family's and social workers to establish communication between what the families and residents want for themselves to feel productive and able and I institute success for people in need. I'm a people person and as an LMO I put members first and foremost. People like you with passion for the costumes in this Detachment. We are all volunteers who have spent hundreds of dollars or/and hundreds of hours making costumes. I promise you that you will be treated with respect and deserve honest and efficient results. I look forward to serving you and working with this fine Detachment About the Team Michael Capell CT/SL/ID-3037 Timberline Garrison Michael has been an LMO and on the LMO Team for about a decade. He has done many things in the Legion since his wife told him she was joining and that he needed to as well. He has been the SLD Webmaster for ten years, as well as (over the years) been a GXO, GML, GWL, and GEC. He specializes in Clones, EU / Legends, Sith Lord costumes, and helping people where he can. He’s looking forward to another term helping expand our Costume Reference Library. Blair Douglas ID-12266 Midwest Garrison Blair is new to the LMO team but has served as a liaison for unity for the clubs for many years. She has LMO experience with the Rebel Legion and has led an effort in the RL around costume approval reform with a concentration on maintaining quality, improving consistency, and making approvals attainable. Her experience will help us address some of the current pain points within the 501st system. An additional bonus is that Blair is a lead software engineer by day helping to provide Fortune 500 companies technical solutions for their business needs. Her professional experience will also help us assess the current state of the systems supporting costume approvals and help to figure out how to improve them to facilitate a more positive costume approval experience. Fun fact Blair plays bass in the band Soft Speaker, extra fun fact she paid her way through college playing bass in a U2 tribute band and her nickname was Madame Clayton. Kris Kobus ID-33633 United Kingdom Garrison Kris is new to LMO but has held positions such as XO and DCA for the IOC and Events administrator for his Garrison where he is also a Officer costume adviser. Kris is a workaholic and does not believe in sleep so is usually always available no matter the time zone. Brian Anderson TK-7602 New England Garrison Brian has been the LMO team lead previously. He was one of the driving forces of Detachment empowerment and pushed for CRL changes. Brian has been on local staff and Detachment level staff for many years and brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to the table. Brian is known as the “make it look like the picture!” guy when it comes to standards and truly embraces current Legion culture. Eric Brager TK-9674 New England Garrison Eric was the lead LMO for the 501st Legion two terms from 2015 to 2017. He has twice been elected FISD Detachment Leader and has held a number of garrison level command positions in the 501st Legion We are so very excited to work with you guys! One thing I love so much about Detachments is the love for new CRLs and the passion. Both of which are very near and dear to my heart. Please do not hesitate to reach out to the Detachment or LMO team. I prefer messages Here or to LMO@501st.com that way I keep record of them and can tag appropriate parties Thank you and have a nice day, Dawn Bright SL-13377 www.SL13377.com https://www.501st.com/members/displaymember.php?userID=15902&costumeID=343

Here's the thing: these are animated characters. There isn't just one right answer because these are like art; the reference can support a handful of interpretations. The armor color is mottled, and is not just one color. I'll give an example of my favorite boots. These are black underneath, and the wax polish on top marked them look anything from grey to dark brown, but I know for a fact that the leather is black because I'm the one who put the polish on. It is the weathering that dictates how people interpret it, but these are what they looked like when I bought them: This is a real world translation of what the armor looks like in the cartoon. Now to the CRL. It is an animated cartoon, and just like 99% of the rest of our CRLs in TFE, the colors change as much as the number of times the character is seen. There is an accepted level of colors on a gradient that could be argued for the character's armor, but that does not make the CRL wrong. We only make CRLs for, "variants" that are approved, otherwise we'd have a 48 page long CRL for Aphra, alone, with all the Barbie dress up versions she has in the comics. So the correct statement isn't, "how can we make it not inaccurate?", but, "do I have the references to validate my interpretation for approval, which can then be ADDED to the existing CRL that already has done so?". The answer to that lies with the Detachment Leader, LMO, and your GML on how well you replicate the references to the real world.

Making them turned out to be very easy for me. I used foam and Worbla. It was the first thing I made with Worbla, so even if you’ve never tried it before you might find it easy enough. You can read my blog about it here if it helps- http://withoutastitchon.blogspot.com/2016/04/mara-jade-knees-and-shin-guards.html?m=1

Some of my favorites I've gotten as Darth Nihilus: Darth Maul (no real shock there) Thor (no clue how the kid came up with that one) Mulan (dad was possibly drunk, or raciest, or both...) And today I heard this story from one of my local troopers talking to a little girl dressed as a stormtrooper - "Well, I'm going to go over there and talk to Darth Vader with the skeleton face ...bye!"

Hi everyone! My name is Jason and I'm with the Star Garrison, and representing the West Texas Squad. My first approved costume was my Pre-armor Darth Vader, which was a costume I honestly wanted back when RotS came out, long before I knew about the 501st. I recently got my Darth Revan approved and I'm happy about that. I've only trooped in it once, and that was when my squad decided to take a short break after the rush surrounding The Last Jedi. Next up, I'm working on Kylo Ren, specifically both his TFA CRLs. Maybe later on in the year I can go for the new TLJ CRLs.

Hi there! DS-32946 reporting in! I'm Jessica from the 70th Explorers Garrison (Firehawk Squad). I joined the 501st in May 2016 with my ROTJ Royal Guard. My Seventh Sister is my second costume and I am working on a Biker Scout for my third. Since joining back in 2016, I've been a trooping fool ever since. To date, I have done 84 troops in my Royal Guard and just did my first troop in my Seventh Sister today!

Forwarding this to the LMO so she can see it!

Hey all, I started researching the costume when I saw the character in the trailer, so I'm eagerly waiting for the show to drop so I can get more details about the new Inquisitor. The new Inquisitor looks awesome. Things I've noticed so far from repeated viewings of the trailer: -cloak has a tattered appearance and is knee length -typical jackboots -belt is untextured with only a flat buckle, no disc detail -belt has boxes with lights on it, need better reference -gloves have bird-like talon -cloak has imperial cog on both shoulders -hood is double folded -padded thighs So stay tuned as I keep up my research and post new details, etc. Currently trying to find a vendor who will help with the cloak and hood.

There is no embargo on making a costume - if you can provide the reference pictures of the costume from all sides incl. details and such, it should be good to go. You can also message our DL @DarthValkyria and ask on how to

Pattern review: Third Sister Pattern (from Etsy) https://www.etsy.com/listing/1255438991/third-sister-inquisitor-reva-costume?ref=yr_purchases DISCLAIMER: This opinion is only based on the use of the pattern for accuracy. It’s probably fine for basic cosplay. There were many issues I found so I’ll talk about that first and then how to possibly fix them if you really want to use the patterns. 1. Sizing - there is no information on the size ranges that fit the pattern (I.e. bust, waist, and hips). The listing says M/L and that larger is available upon request but it needs to be more specific since that is arbitrary unless ASTM measurements are used. There is only one size in the purchase so if you don’t fit it it you’ll have to buy the next one up. 2. Accuracy - this is the main reason I wouldn’t recommend the pattern. It’s pretty clear from the patterns that the maker never saw reference photos that included a back view. * the collar is missing the back piece and greeblies * the shaping of the back shoulder armor is incorrect Boots pattern is odd. It isn’t tall enough to cover a tall boot. It’s better suited to an ankle length. This isn’t a con per se but the pattern is made for EVA foam and not for sewing. That makes some of the shapes odd. If you still want to use the pattern anyway you’ll need to do some redrafting. - mock up everything to check fit. You’ll need to make sure your proportions are correct. (I had to redraft using a basic bodice pattern that fit me) - discard the belt and pauldrons and the waist pieces will take some work. as for the materials, I’m actually using EVA foam covered in faux leather for my armor, but I’ll share those details in the next post. The important point is that I didn’t piece curved parts. Instead everything is heated and curved on the body as needed. In conclusion, the pattern is not for a beginner. I have over 20 years of costuming and patterning experience and I gave up on most of it as salvageable. Now I may be knit picking but I am a stickler for accuracy.

Ok, a few updates. Outer cloak is almost done. I stenciled the large shoulder cogs today and once they dry will touch them up and that should be done. Inner cloak is almost done, just need to finish and attach the half cog clasp. Also pictured are the bracers and lighted belt boxes. Will need to design and print the elbow guards to attach to the bottom of the bracers. Progress!

Was able to do a small swatch test with the glove pattern and I’m much happier with it.

Had a productive day today. But I’m going to share a little of the drama. Originally I had a screen shop make 2 screens for me. It was expensive. Unfortunately one of the patterns was sized wrong. Since the screens were expensive I decided to make one myself. Cut sad music. Making a high density screen with emulsion is not done often for a reason. It takes a lot of skill. Usually a capillary film is used, but I just couldn’t justify the cost. The cheapest I found in a good size was over $100US. No thank you. Luckily I have some knowledgeable people at work. I finally have a screen I can burn (it’s drying as I type this) The screen that was the right size wasn’t very thick so I wasn’t sure what the result would be. Unfortunately the fabric I’m using shrinks significantly under the high heat used to cure the ink which made multiple passes impossible, but I’m happy with the result. The color in the images is washed out a bit. The ink is actually grey. Now I will get my pattern sorted and I’ll do the final prints.

Boots came in. went with pirate boots suggested. They are big, but I’ll where my fuzzy socks.

I was just looking into this too. Great minds think alike.

So I was able to sit down tonight after putting the padawans to bed and get the skirt done. Plenty of YouTube videos, coffee and swearing (due to pin pokes lol) and here it is!

Similar to the BHG Greedo CRL that is being grandfathered in 6 months due to inaccuracies and lack of member desire to correct them, we have decided, along with LMOs, that the Starkiller: Dark Apprentice Robes CRL will be grandfathered 6 months from today (October 1st, 2022). There is only 1 member approved with this costume, and they have previously responded that they do not intend to update the costume to better suit the references. Given this, if any other members want to work with the Detachment to improve the costume, then the CRL can stay published. Once grandfathered, any new costumes of this CRL must go through a full NTTL process.

Yay! You're welcome for the help, and I'm excited to see this build happening and that my creation of this CRL was an inspiration! Here are some more answers to your questions: -Make sure your poncho color is lighter and less blue than the arm inserts. I had a *really* hard time correctly capturing the poncho color via photos. When in doubt, try to match the comic book color over the photos in the CRL 🙂 -Yes, there is a little bit of blue in the arm insert color. I noticed this in the comic book and added a tiny bit of denim blue to my dye bath to get it to match. -I'm attaching a photo of my poncho instructions I made for myself, so hopefully this will answer your questions on this topic. Sorry if the stitch callouts look confusing - I did them like weld callouts since I'm an Engineer and I was writing this for myself. 🤓 But if you come up with a construction that works for you, go for it! I opted for this to minimize visible seams and make it look as comic booky as possible. -For the small blaster, my husband modeled it from scratch in CAD (he's an Engineer too!), and we have 3D print files that you (or any other TFE members or prospective members reading this) are free to use if you wish! I just have to find them and will add them to this thread when I do. I would think a piece of orange tape on the end would suffice where orange tips are required, but I don't know for certain, as I never needed to do this. -For the bag, there is a frame in the comic book that I'm pretty certain is in my build thread with Mara's hand over the side of the bag. That's what I used for scaling. I made a bag out of paper and tape to check the porportions before cutting leather. As for the leather, I bought a 5 oz (I think) veg tan shoulder from Tandy a while ago that I've been using for several things, so that's what I used for the bag. You could certainly go thicker though! Let me know if you have any other questions, or free to reach out!

Neck seal arrived!!! And now I'm waiting for the lightsaber.

Now it's really just neck seal!! (Please say saber is an option lol) The shoulder was smaller than the size I ordered but it's not bad for right now I think. Probably I'll slowly rebuild it later ;^)

Belt & Rank bar from PHprops

Yoke and cape finished

She also appears in the Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes mobile game, and the character selection screen gives a rotatable 360* model.

Hi TFE folks, We've had a shift in LMO duties and as of the other day I'll be your LMO team rep for TFE. I'm here to support the fine TFE staff making sure they have whatever tools they need to make new CRLs and update existing ones. If you have questions about CRLs for any of the detachments or this here one, please feel free to PM me on any detachment forum, the legion forums, email me (eric@hawaiianseamonkey.com), or post here. Imma following this thread. Thanks much and I look forward to helping Nina, Zoomi and their crew get sh!t done this term. -Eric

Hi I got mine custom made by Hampton´s lightsabers - I sadly do not think, that he is doing any anymore due to illness, but he made it so I can shift between a red blade and a yellow blade. I do not have sound in it, cause I absolutely hate it when I am of for long troops + it drains the batteries faster. I am also a duel member and you can see my saber here.

As we look forward to what 2018 will bring in the TFE Det., it's always nice to reflect back on all that has happened in 2017. It has been a good and very active year here in the TFE Det. in 2017. Newly Elected Detachment Leader and her staff. We have seen many new programs started and/or old programs improved this year: Trooper of the Month, Blood Members, Mediation Tracker, Fundraiser Program, Academies or Temples. We have seen the formation of the first 4 TFE Det. Academies or Temples. We have created our 1st ever Det. Racing shirt, and had two sales runs of those shirts. We have cleaned up the Membership Records for the Detachment, and everything is now running smoothly. TFE Detachment Merch had a strong kick in the pants this year, after a long pause with very little Det. Merch coming out, this year we came out with several Coin and Patch runs. We have had a strong push at writing and/or correcting existing CRL's. Many of these newly written or corrected CRL's were just done last week, so we are still waiting on LMO review and approval, before we can post them for you to take a look at. We have had a strong year with many more TFE Det. Members being added to our coveted Comms Tower FB page. Our Membership has skyrocketed with a large influx of new members, eager to be a part of the best Detachment in the Legion. From all of us here in the TFE Detachment Staff, I hope you all have enjoyed your time here with us in 2017, and we look forward to seeing you all again in 2018. We have more planned for the TFE Det. in the new year, and we will try to make the TFE Det. even better for you in 2018! Det Staff-

Darth Malgus as a 1st costume, to join the 501st, is not an easy feat, as this is not an easy costume to put on or to wear the whole day at a troop. For the normal person, I would suggest an easier costume to start off with and then to try to make something at this difficulty level. Approval is dependent on your local Czech Republic GMO/GML. You have to attain the right look, compared to official reference materials. If your GML/GMO has any questions with your approval pics, they will submit them to us, and we will give our opinions. The costume in the Video would be approvable yes, but most people in the 501st don't have a "team" to help them get dressed and put on makeup and prosthetic. It is unrealistic to have to show up several hours before the troop to start putting on the costume. Pants, find an official LFL reference to support your look, and you are fine. I have seen black, and I have seen gray, so for the time being, either. Materials for the armor is up to you, but it must look correct. It has to have a thickness to it, it has to look like hard armor. Lights and everything else seen must be included. Find an official reference you are happy with, and make your costume look like the reference. This costume is not an easy one to pull off the correct look. This costume is also quite expensive to pull off the correct look. Not trying to discourage your interests, but many have started this costume and not seen it to the end, and then it was just a waste of time and money, and they never got into the 501st. Many have attempted this costume, currently only 2 have an approved Darth Malgus in the 501st!

Greetings from the Central Texas Squad of the Star Garrison, SL-96995 here and joined on November 5th. Had a lot of fun at a Halloween costume contest at work where I got called... Kylo Ren

So far it is looking good! Just smooth out the surfaces and you're rocking it.