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Starkiller: Dark Lord's Armor (hoth)


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You have a WIP thread :D this is looking fantastic so far!! I'll admit that I don't know the character lore but I've seen enough pictures of him to know that Starkiller is a complete bad ass and your doing it justice; keep it up!!

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Good eye darthcashman, good catch.  

 

After looking at the same thing for months, sometimes you become blind to something.

I was more or less only looking at the front part of the claws, and how far they should stick out.  

 

I guess I will be making Claws V2.0, which is not a big deal, just have to cut a bit off the ends.

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I'm loving how detailed your build thread is. Will make my life easier haha. Got notice that my belt buckle is on the way and been working on the saber hilts. Progress is slow but it's happening.

 

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No word yet chris2706.

 

I am a bit of a perfectionist, so I may never be 100% done with this costume lol.  When I find something that dosen't look just right with my costume, I start brainstorming how I can make it better.  I am very busy with work M-F, so I only have time on the weekend to make changes, but I am starting to think I have costume OCD, because it really bugs me when I find something not 100% right with my costume. 95% is not good enough lol.

 

I really just wanted to get in the group to have more contact with those in my area, and then keep modifying my costume to get it to be perfect, but I guess the powers that be will let me in, when I have gotten to the point my costume has met the minimum requirements, for what they are looking for.

 

I am making a new vest V3.0 this weekend.

 

I am going to try and better copy the vest in my avatar pic reference the front of the vest.  It is going to be shorter in height.  I am going to make the individual strips of the vest more accurate to the picture.

 

Vest V1.0 had the wrong cut and was 48 cm tall and was paper thin.

Vest V2.0 had the right cut and was 45 cm tall and was too thick and heavy.  The top strip and bottom strip were correct, but the 3 middle strips were too wide.

Vest V3.0 will be half as thick as V2.0, the 3 middle strips of the vest will be smaller in the front, so more accurate to the ref pic.  I have to put on the shirt and pants to take another measurement of the height the Vest will be, but I am guessing it will be roughly 40 cm tall in the front, so the height of the vest will be reduced by another 5 cm.  V3.0 I am also going to incorporate the back plate into the vest itself, so it will no longer be an individual piece that sits over the vest, it will be part of the vest.  For the closing of the vest that looks like a corset, I have a few ideas how to make it look accurate, yet be easier and quicker to put on, than having to have someone else lace up my back everytime I put the costume on, but I have not nailed down which Idea I am going with yet.  I was also considering making the back look "Battle Damaged" as seen in one of the reference pics.  I may make 2 versions of Vest 3.0, 1 being "Clone trooper Clean", and the other being scuffed up and damaged.  I am still very new to the whole costume culture, so I don't know what my taste are reference clean or weathered look.  There is also an extra stich to the back of the vest that someone pointed out to me here in Germany, so V3.0 will also include this extra stitch part.

 

I am also going to be cutting off about 2 inches off the back of the claws, as someone pointed out that mine are too long on the back side.  I am happy when people point out things wrong with my costume, because I want to make it as accurate as possible.

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Great job dude!

 

I stoped my own for CRL's disappointment, is sad to see how approves CRL without checking the references.

The boots is another point to recheck, I think wat seen in the CRL is not acceptable for this costume.

The vest you are wearing I think is a little high, but not for too much, I think is acceptable. 

 

I support your vision of new CRL for this costume. I hope they do that changes.

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The last thing I heard was that my costume satisfied the minimum requirements and was sent forward.  

Where it got sent to, I can only guess to some other part of the 501st or person in the 501st to look at and get more approval.

 

I am very new here, so I don't know any of the inner workings of the 501st or the Detachments.  As its a rather large organization, I can only guess that it has complex inner circles.

 

This is all voluntary work, people have their own lives and jobs outside of the 501st, so I understand that this process could take days or weeks or even months.

 

That is why I am continuing on with bettering my costume, because that is what I planned on doing anyway lol.

 

Once my costume is approved, I will still be improving it and bettering it.

 

My plan for the foreseeable future is to make this the best version of this costume in the entire 501st.  This is to be my only costume, and therefore I can focus all my time and energy into making it the best I possibly can.  That will not happen overnight, as I also have a life and work, but it is a worthy goal to set.  I have put out a ton of cash in making this costume, and I will probably be paying that off for the rest of this year, or maybe even into next year lol.

 

In doing this, I will also offer any assistance I can, in helping to better the CRL for this costume.  Be that pictures of parts of this costume, or the entire costume, or descriptions of Items, whatever it is I can do to help, I would like to help if I can.  

 

If anyone in this Detachment is trying to improve the CRL for this costume, and needs anything from me, just ask, and I will do all I can to help.

 

When the example people look to in the CRL when trying to build this costume or in judging this costume has so many mistakes, it makes it rather hard to make it or to judge it right.  I have studied this costume exclusively, everyday, for the last 5 months.  I have compared every part of the CRL with reference pics.  While I feel pretty confident in my knowledge of this costume, my costume is not yet the best it can be.

 

I am a patient man, even if I am forming Costume OCD lol.

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I should be done with Vest V3.0 in a couple of hours, if I can keep going to finish it.

The wife and the Honey-do-list cut into a lot of my time this weekend.

 

Edit: Nope ran out of time, and brain power.

The vest it self is done and half of the back plate closer looking thing.

I have to say I am a lot happier with V3.0, its the right cut and size, its lighter than V2.0, the back is made out of the same material as the vest so it looks better.

Just need to make the other half of the back, transfer the cord and boxes from the other one, and add some velcro, and its good to go. 

 

I might finish it during the week if I find the time, if not it will have to wait till next weekend.

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I use a real leather belt to hold my pants up, D-rings around it, wider plastic belt with belt buckle through the D-rings, so no weight is on the belt for show.

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What red visor did you use? 

 

If you would have read the entire thread, I did not use a red visor.

 

I also challenged the CRL on that point and many others, but nothing ever came of all my work and suggestions to improve the CRL.

 

The Visor is tinted dark, not red! The CRL is wrong on that point.

 

The CRL is also missing about 40% of this costume.

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On 1/29/2017 at 0:51 PM, Yankee71 said:

 

If you would have read the entire thread, I did not use a red visor.

 

I also challenged the CRL on that point and many others, but nothing ever came of all my work and suggestions to improve the CRL.

 

The Visor is tinted dark, not red! The CRL is wrong on that point.

 

The CRL is also missing about 40% of this costume.

 

I've read your entire thread and I'm going to be making this costume as well, but I think everything should be listed in the CRL.  Upon reading more I noticed this:

"This Visual Guide has been reviewed by the detachment staff and the LMO team and is certified for use as a minimum approval guideline for GMLs. GMLs are free to approve this costume type."

So is it safe to say that the visuals of this outfit are the bare minimum?  There's so much missing and if I were to just follow the CRL I'd be denied -_-

Again... there needs to be a CLEARLY stated minimum requirement like you've suggested here.  It'll make the ENTIRE APPROVAL process easier on the GML reviewing for submission (not to mention it'll also be less stress on the one making/buying all the parts for this costume).  

 

I'm also going to be compiling a "list" of the required items for bare minimum approval.  The CRL is unreliable with this costume (as has been stated already)

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18 hours ago, btabc said:

So is it safe to say

I will stop you right there.

When the CRL fails you, just like a costume without a CRL, go back to the old school method.

Find your own approved reference materials, and make your costume just like your reference materials, and then submit your reference materials along with your costume pics, of you in costume, to your GML.

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33 minutes ago, Yankee71 said:

I will stop you right there.

When the CRL fails you, just like a costume without a CRL, go back to the old school method.

Find your own approved reference materials, and make your costume just like your reference materials, and then submit your reference materials along with your costume pics, of you in costume, to your GML.

You've answered my questions, thank you! :)

 

I usually stick to the CRL because I'm new (almost approved on my first outfit).  The CRL I was referencing with my TK is a popular one so when I saw this one I noticed some things were off, but I didn't know if it was part of the tier 1 and so on?  The more I started looking into it is when I came across your thread.  So you're a great deal of help and I'm glad to have come to the forums after deciding on my next (SL hoth) outfit.  The only thing that was worrisome are the images on the CRL.  At the very least should be updated... for those people who use the CRL as strict reference.  

 

Thank you again :)

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On 10/3/2017 at 9:52 AM, Zapador said:

Hello! I'm starting with this costume, photobucket block the pictures, is there any way i can get all the pictures? 

Thanks!!

Hello!  I'm running into the same problem currently.  There is the CRL (which has been brought to my attention isn't completely correct/finished atm, then there are in-game reference images (which has been provided by the detachment leader):

http://www.theflagshipeclipse.com/forums/index.php?/gallery/category/34-starkiller-dark-lords-armor-hoth/

As well as modeling your gear/suit off of:

https://wickedarmor.com/project/lord-starkiller-costume/


As I have also been told that this guy currently has a VERY close replica costume (and by very close I mean I've been told to model mine off of this as well).

 

 

Hope these help :)

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Try these, see if they work, some pictures are the old version I made, have not done any new picture in over a year, in reference to the 5th version of the vest and what not.

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/guantlet2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=235

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/guantlets.jpg.html?sort=3&o=236

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/armcable.jpg.html?sort=3&o=241

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/boots7.jpg.html?sort=3&o=245

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/belt1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=218

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/armor3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=219

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/armor2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=220

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/helm2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=223

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/skirt.jpg.html?sort=3&o=217

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/saberslit.jpg.html?sort=3&o=215

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/saberwithout.jpg.html?sort=3&o=210

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/hairbraid.jpg.html?sort=3&o=206

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/saberday.jpg.html?sort=3&o=205

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/spinearmor.jpg.html?sort=3&o=203

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/glovescrl.jpg.html?sort=3&o=200

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/cablecrl.jpg.html?sort=3&o=199

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/clawscrl.jpg.html?sort=3&o=198

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/BandCcrl.jpg.html?sort=3&o=196

 

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On 10/5/2017 at 11:47 AM, Yankee71 said:

Try these, see if they work, some pictures are the old version I made, have not done any new picture in over a year, in reference to the 5th version of the vest and what not.

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/guantlet2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=235

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/guantlets.jpg.html?sort=3&o=236

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/armcable.jpg.html?sort=3&o=241

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/boots7.jpg.html?sort=3&o=245

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/belt1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=218

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/armor3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=219

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/armor2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=220

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/helm2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=223

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/skirt.jpg.html?sort=3&o=217

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/saberslit.jpg.html?sort=3&o=215

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/saberwithout.jpg.html?sort=3&o=210

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/hairbraid.jpg.html?sort=3&o=206

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/saberday.jpg.html?sort=3&o=205

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/spinearmor.jpg.html?sort=3&o=203

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/glovescrl.jpg.html?sort=3&o=200

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/cablecrl.jpg.html?sort=3&o=199

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/clawscrl.jpg.html?sort=3&o=198

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/BandCcrl.jpg.html?sort=3&o=196

 

Now this helps GREATLY!!!!  Let me ask one question... are the gloves on the CRL the correct ones?  I mean with the pattern on the top of the hand.  I've got a pair of gloves and I'm going to have to "alter" them to fit the CRL, but with yours they're regular non-patterned gloves?  I'm going to have to replicate your cable method as well because that's amazing!  I was going to use lug-nuts that are attached/glued to a cable somehow so they'd still be detachable (for storage reasons lol).  These are great, thank you!!!!!!!! :D

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20 minutes ago, btabc said:

Now this helps GREATLY!!!!  Let me ask one question... are the gloves on the CRL the correct ones?  I mean with the pattern on the top of the hand.  I've got a pair of gloves and I'm going to have to "alter" them to fit the CRL, but with yours they're regular non-patterned gloves?  I'm going to have to replicate your cable method as well because that's amazing!  I was going to use lug-nuts that are attached/glued to a cable somehow so they'd still be detachable (for storage reasons lol).  These are great, thank you!!!!!!!! :D

There are no gloves listed in the CRL, only seen in the whole costume view, but not listed as an item in the CRL, along with about 50% of the costume that is not listed in the CRL. The look is correct.

I used normal non-pattern gauntlet gloves, and had a shoe repair shop alter them.  I brought along the male ends of the coax cable and they are mounted into the gloves.  With the cables, they go through the female ends of the coax mount, and then I spread out the wiring, so when you screw the female end onto the male end, the wires are caught between the two ends, so the cables won't come free.  Even when I remove them for storage purposes, the female end stay connected to the cables.

The vest you can see in the pics is either version 1 or 2 or both, I went on to make a total of 5 versions of the vest till I was 100% happy it had the right look and feel, and was durable not to come apart in really hot weather.

The plastic light sabers, if you can see them, are my version one.  I was not happy with them, so I altered the originals and made version 2:

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/lightsabers.jpg.html?o=162

 

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On 10/6/2017 at 1:31 PM, Yankee71 said:

There are no gloves listed in the CRL, only seen in the whole costume view, but not listed as an item in the CRL, along with about 50% of the costume that is not listed in the CRL. The look is correct.

I used normal non-pattern gauntlet gloves, and had a shoe repair shop alter them.  I brought along the male ends of the coax cable and they are mounted into the gloves.  With the cables, they go through the female ends of the coax mount, and then I spread out the wiring, so when you screw the female end onto the male end, the wires are caught between the two ends, so the cables won't come free.  Even when I remove them for storage purposes, the female end stay connected to the cables.

The vest you can see in the pics is either version 1 or 2 or both, I went on to make a total of 5 versions of the vest till I was 100% happy it had the right look and feel, and was durable not to come apart in really hot weather.

The plastic light sabers, if you can see them, are my version one.  I was not happy with them, so I altered the originals and made version 2:

http://s17.photobucket.com/user/TBSQRF/media/lightsabers.jpg.html?o=162

 

Yes you're correct about the gloves not being listed, but I was going based on the gloves that were presently shown in the image on the CRL.  I'll be sure to add this to my list of things that need to be changed on my list :)

 

Thank you!

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People, this was my WIP post, why not start your own WIP thread?

I had my gloves made by a shoe repair shop.

There is a shop in Argentina that will make you the gloves for $400 He also makes the suit.

https://www.facebook.com/swtoys.argentina/?timeline_context_item_type=intro_card_work&timeline_context_item_source=100000614735191&pnref=lhc

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