Acolyte Approvals- Halt

[Guest muppet]

At this point in time, there wont be any new Acoltyes approved until there is a concensus on the standard for this costume.

 

I hope that the discussion between the members on here can pool their research together and put together a CRL.

 

Lets get this done.

 

Ken

[Guest mexisol187]

Dear Darren and Wolfgang,

 

Please help with this.

 

Signed,

 

Every future Sith Acolyte.

[ForestFire]

yes, please...

[Guest Toddo]

alright guys, what do we need to do? Let's get cracking.

[Guest Toddo]

I thought I'd get the ball rolling on a CRL for the Acolyte. Feel free to post suggestions here. I'm simply trying to standardize the costume requirements so that more members can be approved with this have a baseline to aim toward. I'm looking forward to feedback.

[Guest 6925]

In my opinion we need to define the "Sith Acolyte".

We have (what I know) two different styles.

The regular Sith Warrior (the Acolyte) and Lord Adraas.

The big difference obviously is the mask.

 

So, what else is different?

What is absolutly essential and what is optional?

 

My suggestion:

The armor parts what are invisible, even we all have those parts, should be "optional".

The same with every other part what can not be seen very well or at all.

The lightsaber should not be a "Hero" saber and needs to be custom made. Even there is one lightsaber what is the official one, we don't know for sure, if every Aco got that one.

The red area in the cloak-sleeve can be color or fabric. More important should be the size of the stripes and the color.

 

My 5 cent for now!

Anybody else?

[Guest Aysel]

I'd like you guys to leave "Lord Adraas" for now and just hash out the generic "Sith Acolyte", once that's done then Adraas can get done. Pam will need the text to follow the basic format of the other CRL's so please keep that in mind when your drafting this.

 

Katie

[Guest 6925]

I'd like you guys to leave "Lord Adraas" for now and just hash out the generic "Sith Acolyte", once that's done then Adraas can get done. Pam will need the text to follow the basic format of the other CRL's so please keep that in mind when your drafting this.

 

Katie

 

 

Sorry! I thought first of all it starts with a discussion....

[Guest Aysel]

Sorry! I thought first of all it starts with a discussion....

 

none of this it's just part of the discussion and keeping it on track

[Guest kimballk]

Can we get a copy of the documentation used for the approved costumes? That would be a nice start, then we could build from that.

 

 

Kevin

[Twi'lek Pam]

Hi,

 

Check out the finished CRL pages to see the format. Here's one for an example (aka one I happened to have a link to):

 

 

http://www.501st.com/databank/Costuming ... vytraining

 

 

Start at the head, and go down to the feet.

 

For each costume piece: name it, and then use a bulleted list to describe each feature of that piece.

 

We're supposed to use "is" and "are" rather than "should be" when describing the pieces, so nobody can say "Well, it only says it should be that, so it doesn't have to be." For example, "The armor is painted hot pink." Not, "The armor should be painted hot pink."

 

Since weapons are not required, the lightsaber would go in the accessories at the bottom.

 

Hope that helps!

 

Pam

[ForestFire]

Agreed on the lightsaber as optional.

 

Mask would be pretty straight forward if we concentrate on the regular Sith Acolyte warrior.(grey no red trimmings)

 

next after the mask/ headgear would be...

 

Neck seal or neck armor? The way I look at it, it is more of a neck armor, similar to the Vaders... what do you guys think?

[Guest Toddo]

Sith Acolye CRL (Suggested Draft)

 

Mask

• Must be made of a rigid material such as plastic of fiberglass

• Must contain either a grooved or paisley pattern consistent with the video game references, but may not contain the mixture of the two.

• The mask may connect to a back plate that cups that back of the head.

• The wearer’s eyes must be concealed by the wearer by either dark lenses or a mesh material.

 

Balaclava

• A black balaclava is used to conceal any skin or features.

 

Robe

• Must be constructed from a black, heavy, flowing material such as wool or an equivalent fabric.

• The sleeves terminate just below the elbow so that most of the forearm is visible. On each sleeve there should be two burgundy-red stripes that are preferably painted or dyed, but may be sewn-onto the robe fabric. The stripe closest to the edge of the sleeve should be approximately two inches wide with a second stripe approximately 1.5 inches higher with a width of approximately one half inch.

• The length of the robe should fall no more than 1 inch from the ground.

• The hood must be over the head and drape on the shoulders.

 

Undersuit

• Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos.

 

Neck Seal

• A black neck seal composed of either latex or fabric must be present containing a series of horizontal ribs separated down the middle by a single vertical rib or thick seam.

 

Chest Armor

• Two pectoral sections joined in the middle.

• The armor should contain grooves consistent with the available references.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Back Armor (optional)

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Abdomen

• The abdomen should be a large plate with grooves consistent with available references.

• There should be a piece connecting the abdomen with the chest plate.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Kidney Plate (optional)

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Shoulder Bells

• Shoulder bells should be present to give the “armored” shape under the robe.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Biceps (optional)

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Forearms

• Must be fully-encased gauntlets complete with the appropriate greeblies.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Hand Armor

• The hands must be concealed in a tactical-style black glove.

• The handguards should have a series of three claws.

• Each finger should have an independent coffin-shaped armor piece.

• The thumb has its own , larger armor piece.

 

Thighs

• The thigh armor must be fully enclosed and contain the proper grooved pattern.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Lower Leg

• The thigh armor must be fully enclosed and contain the proper grooved pattern.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Belt

• Gray or tan webbed material with an armored buckle plate with a grooved pattern.

• There should be present two small black pouches on either side of the buckle that are made of either nylon or leather or another similar material. In addition, there should be a can instead greeblie attached to the belt on one side between the buckle and the pouch.

 

Boots

• Either boots or shoes may be employed with armor encasing both the toe and heel. Armor may extend around the circumference of the shoe. Any visible boot should be painted to match the surrounding armor.

 

Optional:

 

Lightsaber

A hero saber that matches the game references is preferred, but any Sith-styled saber with a red blade is acceptable.

[Guest mexisol187]

"Mask

• The wearer’s eyes must be concealed by the wearer by a mesh material."

 

I don't think lenses should be used in this mask. By the screenshots they are clearly masked out with fabric, hence no glare from the saber.

[Guest Toddo]

"Mask

• The wearer’s eyes must be concealed by the wearer by a mesh material."

 

I don't think lenses should be used in this mask. By the screenshots they are clearly masked out with fabric, hence no glare from the saber.

 

Good point.

[Guest 6925]

Not bad!

Here are a few of my suggestions mixed into yours:

 

Sith Acolye CRL (Suggested Draft)

 

Mask

• Must be made of a rigid material such as plastic of fiberglass

• Must contain either a grooved or paisley pattern consistent with the video game references, but may not contain the mixture of the two. I would not mix the two masks, since there might be a Lord Adraas one day!

• The mask may connect to a back plate that cups that back of the head. Not necessary, can't see that in the trailer. Maybe optional for those who prefer a helmet a not a mask!

• The wearer’s eyes must be concealed by the wearer by either dark lenses or a mesh material. What mexisol said!

 

 

Balaclava

• A black balaclava is used to conceal any skin or features. Optional, because with the neckarmor/neckseal there is no more skin what can be seen, in my opinion.

 

 

Robe

• Must be constructed from a black, heavy, flowing material such as wool or an equivalent fabric. No flaps, pockets, zippers or ornamentation.

• The sleeves terminate just below the elbow so that most of the forearm is visible. On each sleeve there should be two burgundy-red stripes that are preferably painted or dyed, but may be sewn-onto the robe fabric. The stripe closest to the edge of the sleeve should be approximately three inches wide with a second stripe approximately 2 inches higher with a width of approximately one inch.

• The length of the robe should fall no more than 1 inch from the ground.

• The hood must be over the head and drape on the shoulders.

 

 

Undersuit

• Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos.

 

Neck Seal

• A black neck seal composed of either latex or fabric must be present containing a series of horizontal ribs separated down the middle by a single vertical rib or thick seam.

 

Chest Armor

• Two pectoral sections joined in the middle.

• The armor should contain grooves consistent with the available references.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

 

Back Armor (optional)

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

 

Abdomen

• The abdomen should be a large plate with grooves consistent with available references.

• There should be a piece connecting the abdomen with the chest plate.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

 

Kidney Plate (optional)

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

 

Shoulder Bells

• Shoulder bells should be present to give the “armored” shape under the robe.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

 

Biceps (optional)

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

 

Forearms

• Must be fully-encased gauntlets complete with the appropriate greeblies consistent with available references.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Hand Armor

• The hands must be concealed in a tactical-style black glove.

• The handguards should have a series of three claws.

• Each finger should have an independent coffin-shaped armor piece.

• The thumb has its own , larger armor piece.

 

Thighs

• The thigh armor must be fully enclosed and contain the proper grooved pattern consistent with available references.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor

 

 

Lower Leg

• The lower leg armor must be fully enclosed and contain the proper grooved pattern consistent with available references.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

 

Belt

• Gray, silver or tan webbed material or leather

with an armored buckle plate with a grooved pattern.

• There should be present two small black or grey pouches on either side of the buckle that are made of either nylon or leather or another similar material. In addition, there should be a can instead greeblie attached to the belt on one side between the buckle and the pouch. ???

 

 

Boots/Shoes

• Either boots or shoes need to be employed with armor encasing both the toe and heel. Armor must extend around the circumference of the shoe. Any visible boot is not acceptable.

 

 

Optional:

 

Lightsaber

A hero saber that matches the game references is preferred, but any Sith-styled saber with a red blade is acceptable.

[Guest Toddo]

I've compiled the feedback so far and rearranged so that we follow the head-down format. How's this look?

 

Sith Acolyte CRL

 

Mask

• Must be made of a rigid material such as plastic of fiberglass

• Must contain either a grooved pattern consistent with the video game references

• The wearer’s eyes must be concealed by the wearer by a mesh material

 

Balaclava (optional)

• A black balaclava may be used to conceal any skin or features.

 

Undersuit

• Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos.

 

Neck Seal

• A black neck seal composed of either latex or fabric must be present containing a series of horizontal ribs separated down the middle by a single vertical rib or thick seam.

 

Robe

• Must be constructed from a black, heavy, flowing material such as wool or an equivalent fabric. No flaps, pockets, zippers or ornamentation.

• The sleeves terminate just below the elbow so that most of the forearm is visible. On each sleeve there must be two burgundy-red stripes that are preferably painted or dyed, but may be sewn-onto the robe fabric. The stripe closest to the edge of the sleeve should be approximately three inches wide with a second stripe approximately 2 inches higher with a width of approximately one inch.

• The length of the robe should fall no more than 1 inch from the ground.

• The hood must be over the head and drape on the shoulders.

 

Chest Armor

• Two pectoral sections joined in the middle.

• The armor must contain grooves consistent with the available references.

• Must be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

 

Back Armor (optional)

• Must be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Shoulder Bells

• Shoulder bells must be present to give the “armored” shape under the robe.

• Must be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Biceps (optional)

• Must be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

 

Forearms

• Must be fully-encased gauntlets complete with the appropriate greeblies consistent with available references.

• Must be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Hand Armor

• The hands must be concealed in a tactical-style black glove.

• The handguards contain a series of three claws.

• Each finger must have an independent coffin-shaped armor piece.

• The thumb has an individual, larger armor piece.

 

Abdomen

• The abdomen is a large plate with grooves consistent with available references.

• There must be a piece connecting the abdomen with the chest plate.

• Must be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Kidney Plate (optional)

• Must be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

 

Belt

• Gray, silver or tan webbed material or leather containing an armored buckle plate with a grooved pattern.

• Two small black or grey pouches on either side of the buckle that are made of either nylon or leather or another similar material must be present. In addition, there must be a canister greeblie attached to the belt on one side between the buckle and the pouch.

 

 

Thighs

• The thigh armor must be fully enclosed and contain the proper grooved pattern consistent with available references.

• Should be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor

 

Lower Leg

• The lower leg armor must be fully enclosed and contain the proper grooved pattern consistent with available references.

• Must be painted a metallic gray that is weathered in a pattern consistent with the rest of the armor.

 

Boots/Shoes

• Either boots or shoes need to be employed with armor encasing both the toe and heel. Armor must extend around the circumference of the shoe. Any visible boot is not acceptable.

 

Optional:

 

Lightsaber

A hero saber that matches the game references is preferred, but any Sith-styled saber with a red blade is acceptable.

The mask may connect to a back plate that cups that back of the head.

[Guest Toddo]

We have a working draft going in this thread:

 

http://www.theflagshipeclipse.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=2439

 

We are looking for feedback.

[Guest 6925]

PM sent!

[Guest Aysel]

topics merged to consolidate the discussion

 

[Nipshank]

Keep this thread going, and please keep it public without PM.

Another group to speak with regarding the Sith Acolyte would be the Anchorhead Outpost, they are extremely talented and have all the computer generated images that clarify and section out each piece of armor and soft parts. They have been separating and building the costume piece by piece and I believe if anyone is going to be able to create the exact identical reference to the Sith Acolyte.

[Guest Aysel]

if they could please bring what they've got so far here so we can all see what they've got, that would be fantastic

[Nipshank]

I've sent them a PM so hopefully they can help out with this

[Guest Toddo]

any more thoughts on a CRL? Let's keep this developing until we have it right.

[Nipshank]

I think you covered it Toddo, just need the images separated and put in the CRL format. Besides that what do the moderators/admins think of this process so far? Any feedback from the hierarchy of Flagship and the 501st?