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Tol Skorr help


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Hi all. Been a while since I visited here, let alone posted, but I just saw a character I would like to do and figured I'd ask around here for some help. With my long hair and goatee, it is kinda tough to find a character in Star Wars that I would be able to pull off and not have to wear a helmet (not cutting the hair for any costume). When I saw the comic/action figure 2-pack with Tol Skorr and Assajj, I knew I had found one I would like to do and could probably pull off.

 

I know he is not approved for 501st, but I am asking for any help in finding reference pics of the character. I am picking up the action figure and it's accompanying comic this weekend and will be trying to find the other comics he has shown up in. I think with the action figure, the SW Jedi: Count Dooku comic, and the few SW: Republic comics he is supposed to be in, I should have enough pics to do the costume pretty accurately. If anyone knows of some other sources for good shots of Tol, I'd appreciate the help in making this costume as close as possible to how it appears in the comics and figure.

 

Thanks in advance for your time and help,

 

Tommy/BedlamX

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Thanks. I have to pick up the comics he is supposed to have shown up in this weekend and the action figure so I can see how to get started. From the pics of the figure I have seen, I think I'm going to like building the armor and suit for Tol. My wife (who, by chance, also goes by LadyB or Lady Bedlam :P ) has already found a good product to turn my gray hair blonde and the scars will be a snap for me, so all I need to do is actually get to work on it :roll: .

 

I hope to have it done for DragonCon this year. I want to do some new things instead of always being "that Wraith guy" or the green jedi.

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I know he is not approved for 501st, but I am asking for any help in finding reference pics of the character. I am picking up the action figure and it's accompanying comic this weekend and will be trying to find the other comics he has shown up in. I think with the action figure, the SW Jedi: Count Dooku comic, and the few SW: Republic comics he is supposed to be in, I should have enough pics to do the costume pretty accurately. If anyone knows of some other sources for good shots of Tol, I'd appreciate the help in making this costume as close as possible to how it appears in the comics and figure.

 

 

You know, while he's not yet an approved 501st character, I believe he does have enough references to become one if you wish to go that route. He has been in two (possibly three) different comic series, and with the action figure, that's another source. I just flipped through some of the comics that he is in, and there are plenty of full-body images front and back that would serve as good references. (Unfortunately I cannot scan them for you right now, since our scanner died and I haven't purchased a new one yet.)

 

If you wish to try and make this a 501st approved costume, my advice would be to collect as many references as you can, and make your costume as absolutely true to them as possible. Make a showpiece that is sure to get approved! Tol is definitely a badguy character, and he could eventually have a place in the 501st. I couldn't make that call myself, of course, but I believe he does have a good chance!

 

Pam :-)

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Thanks for the info, Pam. I always try and do my costumes as close as possible to whatever references I can find. My problem at the moment is that the comics are so old, no one has any of them in stock. I did manage to find the reprints in the Clone Wars compilations of the Republic comics, but they are a bit out of my price range for a reference just now. I ordered the comic/figure pack with him and Asajj, so that will give me some base to start with. Hopefully, I can find some of the others at the local comic convention next month (even though it is a tiny one...wish I had had this idea before last weekend so I could have looked at Planet Comicon :roll: ).

 

I'll try and keep you guys and gals posted on how it goes.

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Check ebay, and the online comics shops. As a collector of several comic titles that have been out of print for a while, I can assure you that they can be found... you just have to look! I usually google search when I'm looking for a particular issue, and often find them at reasonable prices. I just checked ebay for the Count Dooku one-shot, and there are four copies available there.

 

Pam :-)

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Okay,

 

I flipped through the comics, and here's what I found:

 

Star Wars Jedi , Count Dooku One-shot: Good references. Recommended

 

Star Wars Republic 63: A few good images

 

Star Wars Republic 69: A few good images

 

Star Wars Republic 70: Most of the images are closeups, not full body

 

Star Wars Republic 74: Some very good images. Recommended

 

Star Wars Republic 75: Action shots and closeups, not very useful

 

Star Wars Republic 77: A few good images, and his death scene.

 

 

It's interesting to note how similar Skorr's armor is to that worn by Quinlan Vos while he was serving Dooku. Makes me wonder about the origins of the armor.

 

Pam :-)

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Thanks a bunch for the info, Pam. This will help greatly with getting this going.

 

The figure arrived yesterday and looks great. I think this is going to be a fun costume to do. Of course, only the most rabid Star Wars fans will have a clue who it is...but he looks sooooo cool I don't really care :D . Like I said in my PM, I hope the boots are the same in the comics as they are in the figure. Much easier to make gaiters than a complete, custom boot.

 

Thanks again for all the help, guys and gals. I'll keep you all posted on whatever progress I make.

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In lieu of buying several other comics try your local library. Mine might be unique, but I'd guess not. They have all the Clone Wars (Star Wars Republic + various one shots) trade paperbacks that have all of his apperences. Good luck.

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Thanks for the tip. Had not even thought of the library. Last time I was in a library looking for information, you still had to use the paper card index to find things. No computers (though some stuff was on microphish).

 

Man...now I'm feeling old :roll:

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Well...the library here was bust on the Clone Wars books :( . I'm still awaiting a responce on combining shipping from two different fleabay stores to get the Dooku (the one I thought I had bought fell through) and a couple of the others Pam said had reference pics. So...I'm on hold for getting started.

 

While I wait for the other pics, anyone care to comment on what types of materials they think the armor parts would be made from? In the pics I have managed to find and on the figure, the chest piece seems to be fairly rigid, as do the shoulder pieces. But, I had kind of thought the same thing about Quinlon's chest piece until I saw someone do a leather version of it. I would prefer to make the pieces rigid (fiberglass or a poly resin) since I think they would look better if they kept their shape. But, I would like to get some more feedback on the armor if at all possible.

 

The soft parts look to be a breeze. Already got feelers out for some brown liquid leather fabric (that stuff is wonderful if you have never used it...got almost a full bolt of black for a couple costume ideas I have) for the main parts and some metallic grey/silver for the ab and back armor beneath the main armor. Luckily for me, the detailing on the boots appears to be a gaiter over a tan, pull-on, work boot. This should help save me some cash since I won't have to try and redo a pair of boots or buy custom made ones for it. Any ideas for a material for the skirt/kama part, though? The action figure makes it look like a wool or synthetic crepe would work well. I'll have a better idea after I get all the pics, but it doesn't look like it is as shiny as the rest to me. All the other soft parts look leather/vinyl to me.

 

Tested the hair style last weekend and it is definitely doable. My hair is almost the exact length for this costume and can be tied in the front like Tol's. Now, to get a temporary color that comes as close as possible to his hair color and a couple of leather bands to tie the ends in the front and I'll be set. Gonna do the scars later since they seem to be easy enough. Need to get a little more mask latex soon anyway.

 

Any tips or advice will be greatly appreciated.

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They had some of it at the local Hancock Fabric store (well..got about 8yards at one and 4 at another. They had a little of the brown last time I was in, but it might be gone now. Going to check after work. They can't order it and I can't find any other suppliers on line, so hope they still have that piece :( .

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oh I envy you! I know the fabric you're talking about, I'm going to use it for my Mara jumpsuit. I was in the same position though. Saw it at the local Hancock's and they said they couldn't order more and probably wouldn't have it again. I've looked online for months for the stuff and nothing. So if you do find some one who supplies it, PLEASE let me know.

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Well...Hancock was out of the brown, too :(

 

I have sent just about every manufacturer of dancewear e-mails asking where I can get the material. So far, no luck. This project just became tougher than I had anticipated, but I will keep looking.

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I wish you the best of luck in your search. All the research I did on the product turned up that you could buy a few pieces of designer clothing here and there made of it, but I didn't find anyone that actually sold it. Also seems that it was first released in 2007.

 

It really is wonderful fabric, and I hope you find it, I think it's perfect for this costume (and probably several others as well).

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OK...just got in the books that were recommended to me to have the best pics of Tol's costume. Add these pics to the action figure, and I think I am pretty set for references. Couldn't find the liquid leather anywhere and no one seems to want to tell me where they get it to make the dancewear and bags they sell on the net (kinda figured as much...but didn't hurt to ask). I did find some stretch vinyl and some "wet look" spandex that I have ordered samples of. Since it is very tough to guess the material imagined for the artwork, I'm going to look for a leather-look material in dark brown, but may have to settle for some other material in the end. No way can I afford real leather to make this. Going to use some fairly stiff, silver/light gray vinyl for the armor-looking pieces on the stomache and back, under the hard armor.

 

The chest and shoulder armor still look to be fairly rigid to me and if so, pretty easy to make. The forearm armor on the figure looks to be leather bands, but some of the pics in the comics make it look almost like Brown versions of the Imperial Knight forearm armor. Anyone want to take a look and help me decide which way to make the armor bits? Leaning towards the rigid armor, but maybe cover it in the stretch vinyl (glued down to keep the ridges and make it look like a boiled leather piece). Since I have not yet started making the costume, I'm up for any suggestions or comments.

 

So far, the action figure is turning out to be my best reference since I can scrutinize it from any angle. Is this a fairly common practice when a figure or statuette is available?

 

Thanks for any help/ideas.

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Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......... :x

 

Fabric place sent me all the samples I ordered EXCEPT the stretch vinyl (the part I was most interested in). Two of the materials are a bust since they look nothing like leather (or even spandex...no sheen whatsoever). The wet look stuff is promissing, but not available in a dark brown. Going to test my vinyl/fabric spray paint on the sample of the copper colored stuff to see if the brown will work on it (works great on vinyl, so who kows).

 

Still working on a design for the chest and shoulder armor. Hopefully, I can get a couple things cut out of wire mesh this weekend to check on sizing and how to get it on/off as easy as possible.

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OK, all. Still having trouble finding a decent material to make the shirt and pants for this costume from. Thanks to rising costs of ...well...everything (especially food...three teenagers, 2 adults, and one little squirt eat A LOT), I can not even think about true leather. My source for liquid leather is a wash and won't be getting any more in. I found some great, soft and supple pleather at Wal-Mart of all places, but it doesn't seem to come in brown (only black and light tan). All the other vinyls I find are either too expensive or too thick/stiff to give the proper flow.

 

One idea I have is to do use tight weave cloth for those parts and pleather for the chest armor, vambraces, and boot spats. Would anyone have any suggestions for a good material to try that does not cost a fortune? The pictures don't necessarily look like they are leather with the nice flow, anyway. But I can't decide what would look right.

 

Any help?

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*sighs*

 

No one I have asked about this costume has had any helpful suggestions on the materials. Seems I am back to where I was on the Wraith costume and UBCS vests materials. Ordered a few more samples of strech vinyl. I hope they get here soon so I can start getting this put together. I really want it done for DragonCon since I am not working it this year and just want to have a couple of fairly unique costumes to sport around (and have people go "who are you supposed to be?" :P ).

 

If anyone has any other ideas, I'm getting to the point of giving up on this material and going back to work on my Klingon used ship salesman or Beelzebubbuh costumes.

 

Who would have thought it would be easier to find materials for an Imperial Knight than a minor character with limited reference?

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It's the problem with Tol Skorr. He only have limited reference which are solely comic pics.

 

At this point I know only know one source where you can get information about Skorr: Jan Duursema. At least, she pencilled him.

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Hhmm...

 

Well, I am not about to pester someone I don't know just to ask a few fairly trivial questions about their work. Seems kinda fan-gooberish to me.

 

Now...if any of you guys happen to actually know Jan and would not mind pointing out this thread...I certainly would not mind the assistance and insight. But, unless you know her enough to ask, please don't bother her simply for this as I can always use my best judgement for materials (or at least best from what is available to me).

 

My samples should be in in the next couple days, so I'll have a better idea of what I can get to work with. Hope to get to the sewing part next month and get some progress pics up.

 

Thanks for the help guys/gals.

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Oh, I only know her through her art and some interviews. I think I was never in the same country like her. If its urgent, I think you can ask Tomas ... or Jan herself. She seems always like a very friendly woman and I think she would appreciate your questions. You honor her work (since she pencilled Tol Skorr in all instances I think) and want to create a figure she worked years ago. The last part could make it all a bit difficult but artists always enjoys it when someone still admires the work they'd done a long time ago; at least I do. ^^

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Got my latest samples in. The thinner, PVC stretch vinyl is wonderful. Flowing, soft, and thin. The backing is a soft black material that doesn't seem like it would irritate skin. Only problems with it are the color and the fact that it is...you know...vinyl. The brown is a bit darker than the action figure, but not too much darker than the artwork. Maybe even the same color. I'll lay the sample against the comic art to see when I get home today. As for the vinyl part...well...guess I'll just have to suffer with yet another non-breathing costume :roll: . Luckily, some of the parts that get covered with armor can probably be made with a more breatable material (upper chest and neck area). That might give a little relief (if I can make it look decent...if not, just gonna be uber hot).

 

One of the thicker vinyls is an almost perfect match for the armor parts, color-wise. Fairly heavy stretch vinyl with a durable backing. I'm still leaning towards making the chest and shoulder armor from a light-weight plastic or fiberglass and covering it in the vinyl to get that boiled leather look. Using it to do the armor parts will also let me do the spats and bracers in the same stuff, so the color will match. Boots seem to be a tan, slip-on work boot. The spats make the actual height irrelevant as they go to under the knee and would cover any boot top anyway. Still working on finding an inexpensive pair of boots for the project.

 

Checked the hair and mine is just about the same length as Tol's. Just need to cover up all the gray with a light brown. Same with the goatee. Got some more latex on order to do the scars on his face and don't forsee any problem with those.

 

Lightsaber...um...still need to figure that one out. Might have to make another order from TCSS and see what I can put together. Might be able to use some of the parts from my current saber to either make me one or get some more parts and make one for me and one for the wife (she is still using one of those build-a-saber kits Radio Shack had a while back for her custom sith witch thing). We'll just have to see how that part goes and get as close as I can to what it looks like in the comics and figure.

 

Until the next update...

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Well...due to not being able to find a decent material for the shirt and pants, this is getting tabled until after Dragon*Con. Just not enough time to get it together even if I could find perfect material now. Still have to make my wife's Steampunk Leia and some sort of steampunk outfit for me (special request from a few friends).

 

One good thing I have decided on after looking at just about every picture I can find of old Tol...color is not all that important. The color seems to range from an almost tan to almost chocolate brown, depending on who inked it (or how they felt that day). The action figure is more toupe on the sleves and pants with a darker brown, ribbed vest underneath. The darker brown of the figure matches one of the stretch vinyls I found almost perfectly and the even darker brown matches another I found. Thinking of going with a lighter weight, breathable material in the toupe color to match the figure for the sleeves and pants and using teh vinyl for the rest. Maybe a silk or soft cotton fabric. Depends on what I can find in the right color that I can afford.

 

Hope to get this done before the end of the year so I can have it all done by next Dragon.

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